"What attracts them and excites them sexually is the idea of themselves as women. It's almost as if they're in love with the woman version of themselves. But what is so unusual and destructive about this sexual desire and urge is that it requires everybody else to play along.… pic.twitter.com/pE8PF5z2ye — Genevieve Gluck (@WomenReadWomen) July 20, 2023 以下はヘレン・ジョイスのインタビューを日本語に直したものです。 (見出しはスピーチにそって